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My 3 roommates(Tadych, Shroom, Mike) & I pledge allegiance to American Coastopia. Since we are already located in beautiful Burbank, California we have nothing to do other than work on getting our loved ones out of the war-mongering, racist, homophobic, jesus-freaked, sexist, selfish, small-picture seeing, Mother Earth raping, Bush run country I am sad to call America.

"America I've given you all and now I'm nothing.
America two dollars and twenty-seven cents January 17, 1956.
I can't stand my own mind.
America when will we end the human war?
Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb
I don't feel good don't bother me.
I won't write my poem till I'm in my right mind.
America when will you be angelic?
When will you take off your clothes?
When will you look at yourself through the grave..........."

I feel sick at the moment. If there is room in your new country please take me in because I am through with this one. I can't look anyone in the eye this morning without wanting to scream. Tell me I'm still asleep.

Steve

the Chi Psi house can be your Camp David

It's a Lodge, not a house. I feel like I live in the West Berlin of America Coastopia here in Durham.
Go Heels.

It ain't over 'til Sy Hersh writes 7000 words saying it's over.

Or until Newt Gingrich is heading public broadcasting.

We Canadians officially recognize the sovereign nation of AMERICAN COASTOPIA and look forward to strong artistic and trade relations with your fair country with which we thankfully share two borders.

Take Raleigh with you! I know we've been bad in the past with all the rampant NCSU support, but we'd gladly chop that arm off to join up. Don't leave us in the dark with the Shrub!

HURRAY! I already live in American Coastopia! Although since Maryland is a border state, I suspect I'll have be pretty vigilant. And DC? All except for the White House, please. The Smithsonian Institution is too cool to give to them. Or maybe we could just force them to relocate to Tex-ASS.

mmmmm...hazelnut lattes...

i was also trying to decide which country to move to...and american coastopia sounds lovely. just need to find a man to share it (and my latte) with and it will be heaven.

*sigh*

my favorite (although i don't think favorite is the right word) headline from today's NY papers : ON THE BRINK -- a phrase normally reserved to describe pending war or other such distaster, not the end of an election. quite appropriate in this instance.

i'm gonna go be sick now.

Hey now ... Janeane Garofalo on Air America last night suggested something similar a secession yes, but also a merger. Consider this an official invitation to Coastopia to join Canada. Together we can kick their mean-spirited asses. And we will do so in a very orderly fashion.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/3728/15173

http://www.americablog.blogspot.com/

Did you wonder why the exit polls in Ohio and Florida have not matched the "official" returns?

This time they're stealing two states, and at least one Kerry operative knows it. Pass it on.

If peaceful revolution is made impossible, the only option left is...?

Whoever is president, it doesn't have to change who we are or how we act. It is frustrating, but we can go to Coastopia in our minds every time we give our time or money to charity or argue with a homophobe.

At 4 a.m. ABC said that their exit polls showed that in middle America, the top concern was "moral issues," and Iraq was around 4th. It's scary that people less worried about bombs than whether Heather has two moms.

sign me up; unless i can figure out a way to hide out in france for the next four years. nights like last night remind of why i left north carolina after graduation and never looked back (except to visit la famille abandonée)

Can someone come get me? I'm too depressed to get out of my pajamas.

Another thing--please someone, ask Al Jazeera to broadcast the electoral map so that the arab nations will know which states tried. Hopefully they'll blow targets in Texas or something, and not take it out on New York any more.

Can I please appeal to the Coastopians to accept the northernmost municipalities of Virginia? We too have been suppressed by the mindless majority. I'm not asking that you take all of Northern Virginia, just the part inside the beltway. OK, maybe just Arlington & Falls Church - or just my house?

Oh, and I'd like a SOY hazelnut latte - what with me being all lactose intolerant and all that...

Let's add Michigan, too--it's a blue state, barely. Or at least add Ann Arbor, Michigan. Please. I'm ready to go.

At then end of the Revolutionary War there was a migration north of people we call Loyalists and you call Tories. Locally the Mohawk community here in Eastern Ontario in large part came from that migration and was a large part of the safeguard of Canada which protected our then western borders through the war of 1812. Time for another migration? Or a succession?

This made me smile for the first time today. Yes, yes and more yes to American Coastopia!

people of Coastopia, join with me in emailing our former country parents daily the deathcount in Iraq, so they can feel really, really bad.

people of Coastopia, join with me in emailing our former country parents daily the deathcount in Iraq, so they can feel really, really bad.

No, Wake County is not welcome!!

http://www.newsobserver.com/content/election2004/general/wake/W-PresidentAndVicePresident.html

Surviving in the DMZ of Hillsborough, NC

Fuck, this is a bad hangover, I HATE THE HINTERLAND

I do like the lingua franca of Coastopia:
haughty witty commentary on topics political,
artistic, and bizarre

Do you really want Merkin in the name?
Let's get rid of that scheme alltogether.
Coastopia United has a good ring!!

We are bringing our first child into this world
in several weeks. We look forward to many things,
but living in the the police state of US is
not one of them.

We never did watch a lot of TOOB, and will
trend towards 0 from now on.

We're gonna beat the hell out of drums tonight!

An INDICTMENT, I envision W in my djembe head

FUCK YOU CHIMP ASS FUCKSQUAT SHRUB!

Can we legislate us some love in American Coastopia?
Cause I'm really tired of legislating hate.

The responses from our friends north of the border gave me an idea...let's go ahead and make Canada the 51st state...then their electoral votes will swing the election to Kerry.

The 51st state? How about making Canada the 51st through 62nd states, so that our more evolved neighbors will have influence in the Senate?

OK, so Alberta will probably elect Republicans, but Saskatchewan and maybe the Yukon might actually elect a Green, and just think how much fun it will be to have the Senators from Quebec annoying Senator FreedomFries.

dude. you forgot boulder, colorado.
i am in south carolina now!! ahhh!!
but i am going to boulder in december.
so you should add it to the map. i am sure everyone there will appreciate it.

thanks for this post. long live american coastopia!!!

If I am to take any comfort at all today (I am wearing black, my eyes are closed in disbelief), it is that I live in New England, surrounded by like-minded and scared people. I'm already IN Coastopia and glad of it.

But also, one of my reactions this morning was to creatively resist. I can't help or stop it anymore. I want to write plays, poems, street theater, make t-shirts, whatever it takes!

I want to talk to the married women in the Midwest who overwhelmingly voted for Bush because of his moral values. What are moral values exactly? Is killing children in Iraq a moral value, or does that not count because it's not America?

I'm sorry I'm rambling now. So upset...This site has helped a little. Thanks, Ian.

The pentumverate has spoken. :( I hate the pentumverate. I don't think I've ever felt so empty. despondent. angry. just plain sad.

Cheryl--you want to talk to married women in the midwest about their moral values? I did that for the past four months on the forum boards at www.crimescene.com Click community, then general discussion, then argument and debate. The participants are mostly from Indiana.

You probably won't like it if you do, though. They just pooh-poohed everything I said, relied on Fox News and the Swift Boat Liars for information and in general confirmed the worst stereotypes you may ever have had about church ladies. Yesterday (I'm not making this up), they were discussing a rumor that Kerry and his wife were both Jewish. Today they're probably hopefully looking forward to the construction of gas ovens at Guantanamo. I don't know; I've left that site for good. But you're welcome to pick up where I left off. There's a chance my head may have weakened the stone wall a bit for you.

i'm stunned at what has become of america, the so-called UNITED states. so much for that - i'm so grateful to be in PA, a part of the new nation of American Coastopia.

and i can only shake my head in horrified disbelief at the mess created by that bastard in the white house and fear what is to come. we can't withstand another 4 years of his "leadership". someone save us all.

Piglet--I just looked on that site (thank you), which is quite scary. The combination of people perversely interested in crime scenes AND right-wing agendas is too much for me to handle. Maybe another day.

someone help!

I am in love with you both. Irredeemably smitten. This is the best idea ever. I pledge eternal allegiance. BTW: Faboo idea to take all the funny people -- but it's really a moot issue since THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.

in case american coastopia doesn't work out...another option for those of you/us who are single

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

:-)

Wisconsin wants in, too. it's got a bad rep for being conservative, but has gone for the Democrat in the last four elections. plus Madison is San Francisco, just without all the coastline and salt water.

also please note: Minnesota went for Kerry, too.

as a resident of the Southern part of Western Coastopia, i'm heartened to read this. see y'all at the next Coastopia Citizen Meeting!

A tarheel living in Decatur, GA. Three out of four people in my state just voted to discriminate against me. I sit here devastated, by the overwhelming numbers, by the thought of at least 4 more years of "he whose name shall not be spoken." I'm glad there is at least one piece of the southeast in American Coastopia. I hate cold weather! Although the chill down here is of a different kind, and a sweater won't help.

I want to join American Coastopia! I've already resigned from my former position as Patriotic Citizen (http://jvlbaritone.blogspot.com). Feel free to use my letter of resignation as a model for your own!

I LOVE Coastopia! We're moving!

check out www.dooce.com and her daily photo where you can comment... I posted Coastopia!

Go Coastio!

Yay! New Orleans made it!

(But hey, it really will take an army to get the Bush-supporters out of here - they're everywhere!)

I'm IN. And thank GOD you're bringing my Heels - I need some Carolina Blue in this self-righteously redneck state of Georgia (Atlanta included.)

Who's got the Blue Cups?

as long you democrats continue to look down your snooty noses at the rest of america, you will continue to lose ground in the USA. best of luck with USofC and enjoy your latte.

Keep chins up, everyone! All we can do is continue to be the best people we can, and to try to be a positive influence for dumb asses. At least the Red Sox won.

I am sickened by the fact that it is OK to bomb woman and children and to invade another country on a false pretense. I am sickened that 51% of my countrymen voted for a liar, cheat and thief but vilified Clinton for a consentual extra marital affair. I am sickened by the fact that this country, founded on the separation of church and state, is trying to force faux "christian" morals down my throat. I am sickened that 51% of Americans are too phucking lazy and stupid to think for themselves and rely on lies, pretext and the obfuscation of some right wing media outlets. I live in NJ and already am part of Coastopia - thankfully. But my heart and my soul ache for this once great nation. I don't know how we're ever going to survive the next four years. I fear for the children and the children's children who will be saddled with this administration's rampant spending.

Who is db and how did she get into Coastopia? We need a secret code. Maybe a new language? Oh, and I'm wondering if Durham can slide over and link up with a larger mass of Coastopia. It's a bit frightening here in the middle of all this red.

I have found my new home, since I know you will take in and old FDR liberal and embrace her..Usually , I can think of something clever and funny to say, but my brain is mush today..I am happy that you include California as I live in a little place on the central coast..

I'm in, and thank goodness I am lucky enough to live in Durham, so I don't even have to move!

As usual - the party i joined and loved in 1980 is once again proving to me that switching party affliation to Red was the right move. The Dem party was not originated on the platform of hatred and elitism...unfortunately the party has become just that of which it is supposed to combat. so very sad. Incidentally, your new land DOES, indeed, have an official language...ebonics. unfortunately, not enough of the native ebonic-speaking population can get out of their escalades, and put down their bling-bling long enough to go and friggin' vote. yet they continue to complain. hmmm. Enjoy your new land and your lattes -- i'm off to a victory party.

this has been a bad dream and the reality was all too many people today suggested leaving the united states. it's been too long that the ignorant masses have lead the intelligent. we should be directing, not some cowboy pork-rind eating hick. true democracy. no electoral college bullshit. true democracy. Somebody has got to have the sense to set up a web site that can tally the opinions of all. We can post current issues on the web with straight verbage. If we pass bills that modify the language of another, the current wording and the intended change will be included immediately. No hunting around the internet for another bill and trying to figure out what the hell is changing. We need to get rid of as many ideas as possible from this hellish nightmare. people who use the expression "god bless america" in public addresses will be airlifted immediately to oklahoma. Textbooks will include true history regardless of whether something we did turned out to be erroneous; we want our children to learn from our mistakes. There should be no question about how to start, we just take the land and call it ours. it's been done before.

Don't forget Minnesota! We went Blue, too, and don't want to be left out of the new state! Plus, we're the home of the late Paul Wellstone!

Yeah - MN PLEASE!!!! Take us with you!! Duluth was OVERWHELMINGLY BLUE....sorry too many caps and exclamation points but if you don't take us I'm heading north to the border. Waaaaah

"...to look down your snooty noses at the rest of america..."
Actually, my nose is more angry and piteous than snooty. Let's not forget that half the country has been wrong before. Hopefully less will die this time. I think one upside of this ridiculous race will be that partisanship will cease to get a bad rap among supporters of the majority and minority alike. I suppose now a lot more people will see wars in the capitol as really about something and--as I felt inspired to hear Barbara Pelosi comment on NPR--and the populace will become familiar enough with the actual right-wing agenda that it's representatives can no longer sell themselves as sensible moderates.

bye.

Sorry "right-wing" isn't really a useful term these days. Let me change that to "plutocratic, anti-diplomatic, intolerantly socially conservative agenda" (PADISCA?)

mmmbye-bye. mmmbye-bye.

I am sure that my fellow DEMOCRATIC-voting Oklahomans would beg to differ with your insulting rhetoric. Ya'll come back now, ya here?

What? No Austin? We hate that idiot in the WH and we have great music! We also have Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower and the Texas Observer. Take us, PLEASE!

Nah-nah-nah I'm not listening...slavery is in the Bible...I earned it, it's mine...lah-lah-lah

Don't forget about Hawaii!! It is way too cool to leave behind! I'm grateful that I already live in a Coastopian state. A couple of weeks ago I expressed the desire to move to another country if the stupid one won. This has provided me with a nice alternative. Thank you.

Take Colorado too. I don't like Bush anyway, and you could use the ski resorts.

Thank you! I too want to be a member of Coastopia, even though I live in FL currently. Where should I move?

C.

Do we really have to include the hate-mongers in Oregon?

Hi Ian. Your citizens of Coastopia are starting to scare me. . . everyone sounds like the "hatemongers" from which they are hoping to extricate themselves! Anyway, you should be proud of yourself for all of your efforts -- on your blog, in OH, etc. You tried your best to rock the vote, and by God you did. That is really all that you can do. In a democracy, everyone's vote counts equally, and the current climate was unfortunately not in your favor. Your day will come! In the meantime, reconsider your Coastopia. Do you really want to live in a place where everyone thinks/acts/believes/looks the same?

We live in Fairfax County, Virginia. We would like to apply for political asylum. We are renouncing our American citizenship and anxious to relocate in Coastopia whenever you launch your resettlement program. My wife and I prefer Seattle, my son prefers Boston. But when it comes down to it.....anywhere but here.

God Bless the American Coastopia! I'm in! Beats moving to Canada... :)

Please send a helicopter to pick up my roomate (from Oregon) and I (from Baltimore- hell yea RAVENS!)... We're still scratching our heads as to how we both wound up at Rice U. in Houston!!

Coastopia here we come!!

I've been talking about seceding all day! Wouldn't it be grand? Middle America doesn't deserve the beautiful Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges that are outside my door! I don't think they should even get to visit! Next time I see a southern tourist taking photos while I'm walking over the Brooklyn Bridge I'm going to kick them off! It's either Coastopia or I have to find out what's required to get a license to practice medicine in Canada. Coastopia could be neutral, like Switzerland, and full of all the best and most creative of our society!

I'm not sure what Laurie from Manly Dorm might be referring to as hate mongering (although I see that talking about secession is divisive), but I'd like to point out it's not hateful to say the Bush administration is antidemocratic, plutocratic and militarily adventuristic. These are subjective value judgments, but they are judgments that a reasonable person can reach based on the facts (as did perhaps a hundred million or so Americans and a billion or so foreigners). One can hate Bush and his administration while recognizing that his supporters simply are (not that we aren't all, but they in a way that's pertinent to this matter) deceived.

I loved (yes, past tense) the idea of Coastopia until I noticed that no one waxing rhapsodic about our next Nirvana decided to take on the racist interloper "shabiqwa" spewing off missives about the black people who will be sharing Coastopia as well. Maybe Coastopia isn't the promised land that it's purported to be--at least not if you're black like me. Thanks anyway.

I already live on the west coast in the state of Washington. We have plenty of rednecks here,can they be deported? I am attempting to flee to Victoria B.C.,apply for refugee status and leave this corporate fascist nation behind.

Somsone wrote: "Who is db and how did she get into Coastopia? We need a secret code."

...Well, any 'Coastopia' would have to tolerate dissent just the way United States of America does. Ya think?

The utopian feeling would last a day, and then a new conservative wing would grow from within. The blog entry was funny and wonderful and made a lot of good points. But of course, in real life, it wouldn't be so very simple. What we need to do is cut out a lot of the name-calling and rhetoric and look for common ground. Bombing babies and children in Iraq is awful, as someone said; yet, others believe killing 'babies' in clinics is awful. Of course, that all depends on where they believe life begins, and whether they're basing their assumptions on The Bible or just PRETENDING to take it from the Bible because they really believe 16-year-old girls who get pregnant deserved it.

I am an angry liberal, and I clench my fists every time I hear ignorance from the right, and from the right's more ignorant supporters. And yet, I don't want to become guilty of the same things they are. I loved the blog entry and I apologize for this long comment, but after reading all 71 I wanted to add that. We can tolerate dissent in Coastopia.

As a current senior at UNC who plans to move to LA after graduating I am safely nestled in American Coastopia and very, VERY proud to be. Thank you for such a wonderful new nation!

For now I'll have to content myself with keeping you Coastopians posted on goings-on in the Empire-formerly-known-as-the-United-States-of-America (EFKATUSA).

First, let me assure you that so far it's not as bad as some of us had feared. That rumor about all the liberals having to report to "re-education fun camps" is totally not true. We just have to go and register at the local Republican HQ. We're supposed to pack and bring a suitcase, for some reason. Aren't those Repubs a strange bunch?

Well, gotta run. I'll report more later! I hope.

I could not talk about what happened last night until later in the day today, but thank you for writing exactly what was going on in my mind. I knew there were racist and hateful jerks, just still had hope that they were not more than half of the US. Ohio deserves the poverty that is only going to grow in the next four years.

in oregon and washington, we should draw the border on the east side of the cascades to keep out the hicks. :D

oh god! please let madison, wisconsin in! we're nice and liberal, our congresswoman is a lesbian! kerry whopped bush with over twice the votes, despite the rest of the state's reluctance. don't make me live in old america.

To shabiqwa and his/her racist invective.
Listen, you jerk. I drove from NY to Ohio to be part of "Election Protection" and was assigned to a very black district. You say:
"not enough of the native ebonic-speaking population can get out of their escalades, and put down their bling-bling long enough to go and friggin' vote."

I had the privelege of helping a large number black people FIND the friggin voting place, which was in a building owned by a nasty (obviously Republican) white guy who tried to run us off (illegally) and pulled up our signs... which were, incidentally, the ONLY thing marking the polling place. I watched as black people, young, old, middle aged, found their way to that building, angry as hell at Bush, to cast their votes. They were an inspiration to me. Many were disabled and came on crutches, in wheel chairs, or limping, and at times they had to wait in line for a long time. Many of their names were not on the voter rolls, and some were given provisional ballots reluctantly. I was happy to be there, to hear their stories, to see their determination, to hear their complaints and try to help. I don't remember any of them wearing bling bling. One elderly black woman who I watched struggle two blocks on a cane (stopping to rest every few feet) to get to the polls would have been happy to get there in an escalade. It took her a full twenty minutes to negotiate that two blocks. When she got to where I was standing, I said, "Hi? Here to vote? Do you know where you need to go?"... and she smiled broadly and said "You BET I am, and yes, thank you, I know where to go. God bless."

So you potty mouth racist scum,... you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You insult and denigrate the good people I had the pleasure of meeting at that Ohio polling place. No wonder they are so pissed off at white America.

Cheesh....

So far ahead of you...

The broke up in 1991 and now the greatest band that ever lived is back with a new album - Camper Van Beethoven just released 'New Roman Times' in October.

It is a concept album of sorts - takes place in an alternate reality USA. The story is of a disenfranchised soldier from the Republic of Texas who moves to the Republic of California and joins a group of rebels known as the CVB.

Not to give away the ending, but he does blow up a disco.

http://www.campervanbeethoven.com

are you 51-7?

Ian's mom for president in 2008!!

You GO, girl!!

America just took a national IQ test . . . and failed miserably. We would be happy to initiate secession proceedings, and are also thrilled that Eugene is smack dab in the middle of Coastopia.

We can definitely dispense with a pledge of allegiance, but can we have an anthem? Any suggestions?

You guys are incredible. Keep posting, and read my thanks and update in the main blog:

http://www.xtcian.com/

...and please stick around!

Hmmmmm. You want to take "all the people that ever created everything beautiful. Yes, we're taking all the funny people too. All the sculptors, architects, surgeons, philosophers, violinists and fishermen."

Unfortunately for Coastopia, political beliefs have no monopoly on creativity; your net will cast widely to include an awful lot of "right-wingers."

Look closely at the maps. "Good" people everywhere, even those who do not agree with you. As Laurie of Manly Dorm notes, tolerance and diversity cut both ways. Learn to live in a diverse society with people who just might not agree with you.

Or not. Leave and abandon all right to participate in change.

I officially register with Coastopia, renouncing my citizenship in a country wildly out of touch with reality and humanity. Screw Them. And May God Have Mercy On Their Souls.

Yay!!! I already LIVE in Coastopia so I don't have to move. I fully support secession.

Economoc secession! That's where our power is. We need a Red State Boycott, or better, a Red County boycott. CNN has the "by county" results. We should identify the businesses based in the reddest counties and boycott them.

Your site has lifted me out of a deep funk and I thank you. Don't forget the Virgin Islands, they don't get to vote down there but they are true blue and don't want to get left behind!

Can I just stay where I am (Arkansas -- red state, but home of Bill Clinton, so it ain't all bad), but become a citizen of Coastopia and have diplomatic immunity? I'm prepared to spy and all. Seriously.

concept made my day, but hey some of my best friends are repubs--bless their hearts. . . .

Coastopia seriously rocks. Even though I am safely already within bounds, I do agree that we should vote in Madison, WI and its boundaries, Minnesota, Little Rock, Austin and Hawaii. I can vouch for 'em. We'll just have to move them around a bit. Oh, Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico? We should let them in too because that means they'll finally get some fair representation.

I find it interesting to be lectured by Laurie of Manly Dorm on tolerance and diversity as the US has elected the most intolerant administration we've seen in awhile. Odd, that. Not very self-aware. As a Christian and a Liberal, I am probably more sensitive to it, though.

P.S. Can we please mandate that we really uphold this separation between church and state thing in Coastopia? I'm getting a bit annoyed that the fundamentalist brethren would like to legislate how I am interpreting the Gospels. They are human and not divine, so I understand that they are fallible and all, but still. This Sojourner isn't down with that at all.

To the uptight meathead who wrote this:

Hmmmmm. You want to take "all the people that ever created everything beautiful. Yes, we're taking all the funny people too. All the sculptors, architects, surgeons, philosophers, violinists and fishermen."

Unfortunately for Coastopia, political beliefs have no monopoly on creativity; your net will cast widely to include an awful lot of "right-wingers."

Look closely at the maps. "Good" people everywhere, even those who do not agree with you. As Laurie of Manly Dorm notes, tolerance and diversity cut both ways. Learn to live in a diverse society with people who just might not agree with you.

Or not. Leave and abandon all right to participate in change.

*******************************

Ummm... I see you're quite unfamiliar with the concept of HUMOR!

Good grief! Some people...

Swinging a thurible like any progressive Anglo-Catholic, I am going to make a coast-to-coast (flying over the middle, obviously) procession with incense, grand music, and Alleluias for our brethren and sistren of the new America!!! And I am nominating the Fab Five as Secretaries of Homeland Good Taste. C'mon, you KNOW some of you need help!

And Canada is WAY too cold to move to, besides, my French isn't so hot...

I'm in a blue state, feeling really blue! If only we truly could make Coastal Utopia a reality! This morning, dropped son off at pre-school and had a mom come up to me and say, "Since the election is over, I just want to tell you that your campaign tactics (had my car windows painted with Bush facts for people to read) was tasteless and a lot of other moms agreed." Wimpy woman that she is, didn't have the guts to give her opinion until AFTER her candidate won and she felt righteous enough to voice this to me! I wrote a website down for her to get some facts, www.usccr.gov, which she crumbled and thru in the garbage; just like these people did with our country! Please come remove this ignorant woman to a red state and out of our utopia! Thanks.

What have they done?
They have the nerve to critize the religious fanatasism of Islam and others, yet they claim to vote on moral principles and issues. Since when did the constitution recend the separation of state and religion?
We must do what we can. Revolt and boycott,and not let one thing go by us! We will not and should not allow the perpetual scams and lies that allow for the deaths of our men and women at war abroad and the war we face here at home!
Enough!

COASTAL OR POSTAL!

Please take me too...I live in Moscow, Idaho. Yea, Idaho. The reddest state in the Empire of Merka. But there's a ton of us blue-bloods here in Moscow, and you know you don't want to leave an entire theatre department of artists behind.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This has been the most bipolar week of my life. First I'm flying high above what used to be my whole country when the Sox win the Series, only to crash and burn when unemployed Midwestern assholes decide, "Hey, I know the folks at Halliburton need the jobs more than I do. I'm MUCH more concerned about queers getting health benefits. That's why I'm voting Bush."
I barely lived through Nixon and Reagan and I am sick of not having a country AGAIN. Let me know when you start making flags. I'll wave it beside my Red Sox Nation banner.

There have been much clamor for flags and bumper stickers, but the main motto of American Coastopia is that we don't believe in symbols of our country. I might make T-shirts with a map, however.

And yes, I imagine we'll run some Underground Railroads to places like Moscow, Idaho and Wash U. in Missouri. We care about our expats, y'know.

we all really should seced. stupid hillbillies... they are ruining it for the rest of us. VIVA American Coastopia!!

The sad reality of all this, is not only the monkey that was voted into office for another 4 years. But the baboon with the colorful ass that might follow. (JEB)

"BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!"

"WERE TO CAPTAIN?"

"COASTOPIA, SCOTTY, COASTOPIA."

I have wept my tears for America, but it is time to look forward. Thank the sweet Goddess, I live in Long Beach, California and embrace American Coastopia!!!Thank you for this site!

Count me in! I suggested something similar this morning to my partner! Except, we did win Washington, D.C., so it should be a part of Coastopia too. Besides, they don't deserve the White House and our beautiful capitol building. Let them make Crawford, TX their capitol. And, by the way, the Kennedy Center should be ours. They don't know what to do with it anyway. Also, we should hold all those in the Coastopian states who voted for the anti-christ, hostage and exchange them one for one for the good people trapped in the United States of Busherica. I am one of those. Please don't leave me here!!!!

Many emails asking for a T-shirt, so we made some:

http://www.cafepress.com/xtcian

Profits go to our local school system!

I live with all of the backward rednecks in Birmingham, AL but would love to secede with all of you!!!!!!!!!!

Come get me out of here! I do fully support Coastopia, and will gladly sign to write its Constitution/Laws/Procedures.

Are we ready to pledge our fortunes, our lives, our sacred honor?

jm said:
Oh, Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico? We should let them in too because that means they'll finally get some fair representation.

It should be noted that Puerto Rico voted in 1993 and 1998 NOT to try for statehood. What they lose in representation, they gain by not having to pay federal income tax (and possibly other benefits, too, I'm not sure). So before you go grabbing Puerto Rico, make sure they want to be here.

It's so hard to believe that all of the whiney hippies would be so bitter about that stiff, horsefaced communist, Frankenkerry, getting his ass tossed back into the useless liberal shitpile by the majority of this country.

"when unemployed Midwestern assholes decide..."

The only two education groups who voted for Kerry are those who have no schooling, and those who seemingly can't get enough of it ("No High School" and "Post Grad Study"). All others (high school grads, some-collegers, and college grads) voted for Bush. Of course, as a corollary, the people who put their post-grad study to use, and got high-paying jobs, voted for Bush more thoroughly than anyone else.

So whine away, demmies. Every time I walk out my building in downtown Manhattan, I will revel in your misery. And I rejoice in the fact that slacking losers, who have nothing better to do with their time than complain about issues of which they are entirely ignorant (and apparently suck cock and get knocked up), will have no control over our fine country.

"Ohio deserves the poverty that is only going to grow in the next four years." How hateful can you be. If this sentiment, this mean streak, runs through your promised land than thank you but no. It is more improtant than ever to try to work the system to unite the country, a simple-minded president is something that can be worked around and with people like Barac O'bama and others working diligently to make the country strong again and to fight against an overwhelming majority gives me reason to believe. Coastopia is a fallacy, a pipe dream. The reality is that this country needs a united front among the populace now more than ever.

db wrote:
"as long you democrats continue to look down your snooty noses at the rest of america, you will continue to lose ground in the USA. "

THANK YOU for pointing out the rampant elitism and snoberry on this site!

Maybe instead of whining, you all should get to know your country. Ever consider that we have allies in every state in this country who can be partners in helping us create change? You are a bunch of quitters (and quite offensive in your generalizations and name-calling).

Yaaaaaaaaayyyy! Four More Years of Compassionate Conservative moral values: Greed, Intolerance, Xenophobia, Fear, Bigotry!

I would emplore you to consider including Fairfax County, VA in your new collective, but I fear it's the pin holding the rest of my manure-infested backwater state up on the map. If you pull it out, the rest of the "Old Dumb Minion" might slide down and smother Chapel Hill.

Probably easier if I just move to Maryland ;)

Just remember what the happened last time states tried to secede. We'll stomp you out. But not before you're up in flames like Atlanta.

I'll start the proceedings for Saxapahaw to secede from Alamance County and officially become a western burb of Chapel Hill (which we are unofficially). American Coastopia! How delightful.

Thanks for including New Orleans. Though we've been a seperate third world country for as long as I can remember.

Pacifica Desires to Secede from Union
http://www.petitiononline.com/76616504/petition.html

Great idea - I am moving to Coastopia next month after wearily working to get out the vote in Florida. So sad.

When they reinstate the draft, it should start with those in the red states. I wonder if any friends of W's daughters will go?

And when abortion is illegal in America, will the wealthy with unwanted pregancies be welcome in to travel to Coastopia for help? What will happen to the poor American women?

And when there are no decent paying jobs in America, how will Coastopia handle the steady flow of immigrants - an exit interview on why they voted against their economic interests? A quick lesson on macroeconomics to be sure they don't vote against their interests in Coastopia?

thank you soooo much for this!

all day i've been thinking in terms of denying my citizenship as this is no longer a country that i am a part of. now i can forget that and be a citizen of coastopia.

About all I can say is "Here Here! and Thank God I'm in Durham, (and that they're going to move Duke the hell out of here. Although I do have some medical issues so can we keep the hospital?

Terrific! Can we include Moab Utah and Sundance (so we can ski and make/watch good movies too)? And our children can learn 3-4 languages in elementary school!--Laura in Utah

Can Northern Virginia be added to Coastopia? We tried hard as hell over here to get Kerry elected, believe me. Plus we have the Potomac leading right into the Chesapeake.

Wow, Northern Virginia has lobbied well. Consider it IN! But only Fairfax County and like-minded neighbors. No Manassas or Fredericksburg or anything.

There are two Americas today - Coastopia, and the rest of the country. There is a serious divide between the beliefs and interests of these sets of America, and there is no way to reconcile them. So why not decide to go our separate ways? The thing that holds a nation together is a common culture, and we find a nation today where people cannot understand each other, so the time has come for us to part.

It's better that way. Enough of this bickering, it's ineffective. And enough of the people who are saying, "let's move to Denmark!" This nation was something truly great, and I'm not going to give up on it. I'm proud to be American - not the America of today, but the real America, which is what I believe is the America of Coastopia.

might i suggest adding ann arbor, michigan? and charlottesville? i live in charlottesville (where kerry carried--or kerried), my husband lives in ann arbor, and i'd like to sleep tonight. for a change.

Dear Dimwits,

Although I know most of you have brains and are just screwin' around with this idea, some of you are actually still upset that "your country" is "going down the tubes".

These concepts are for you:

Not enough DEMOCRATS liked Kerry to get him into office.

Note enough SWING VOTERS liked Kerry to get him office.

Stop being devisive morons and thinking you, the minority, has not been heard. The electoral process showed that you were. You did not win. Your side "lost" for four years.

Stop bitching about, get a job, educate someone this weekend as to why the current ELECTED president ELECTED by the MAJORITY of people in the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD is not the best guy for the job.

This will make sure that next time around it might happen that YOUR GUY GETS ELECTED.

Again: stop whining you bunch of cowards. Your whining did nothing for Kerry. Its not going to do anything now either except make you mad.

SO SHUT UP.

Norom- we're not whining, we're leaving.

Angela - there will be airlifts into both Ann Arbor and Charlottesville, don't worry.

I agree with Norom,

How many of you have jobs?

Yeah, thats absurd as well and offensive none-the-less. It is ridiculous to hear the arrogance of these, "city folk," and assuming that all people that consider themselves to be conservatives are oklahoma rednecks. The city of Denver (of which I currently reside) went for Bush and that is a large modern city, with a newer face than that of the big apple. These are supposed to be the people of diversity and acceptance I thought; the people that take a strong stance against prejudice; yet they waste no time generalizing a population of people that happens to disagree with their ideology. Just because the states on the electoral map were blue does not mean that they are far and large democratic states. Open up the county by county map for New York (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/NY/P/00/index.html), and you'll find that the state was for for the most part red. But when you have a large population confined to a space like NYC, it is inevitable that there will be somewhat of a consistent train of thought. A consistent train of thought does not automatically justify its viability. This is the same all over the country. Open up any county by county map in the country, including California, but with the obvious exception of Massachusettes (hows that for Coastopia?) you'll find the same thing. This is yet another example of ignorant, disgruntled people that can't accept the outcome of the election. We had to live under Clinton and his shenanigans for two terms, now we just have to wait for the democrats to put up Hillary in '08. But judging by the looks of their party right now, she won't stand a chance.

One more point, these "coastal" people are a culture obsessed with European fashion, obsessed with European art, obsessed with European automobiles, obsessed with European foods, and obsessed with European culture. Yet they are trying to say the rest of the country needs a lesson in being American?

Well, well. Republicans in here? I'm surprised at you! So much complaining! I thought you would be so happy that we're leaving and you can create your own country without any resistance at all.

I mean, we're happy! So get happy, Red States! You'll have quite a bit of the country all to yourselves pretty soon. Why so glum?

i have sent this link to all my fellow democrats here in utah - may we join you?

thank you for a good laugh in such a strange time.

It's 'divisive' you idiot -- the word you meant to use; it's spelled 'D-I-V-I-S-I-V-E'. Decisively, I'm sure.

Liberal Christian,

Here is the reason why you are a problem:

I AM A DEMOCRAT!

However, since I have a brain and look at the facts and understand that I have a civic duty to DO MY CIVIC DUTY then I accept that the person that was VOTED BY A CLEAR MAJORITY OF PEOPLE now has the job.
That is it.
No more complaining.
No more whining.
If you want to make jokes about how the rest of country doesn't think like you, then perhaps you are in the wrong country. If this concept is contrary to your state of mind, then you have to begin thinking once again like an American:

You are a part of the system, which is not perfect. DEAL WITH IT. Change it. Just stop complaining about it like a child whose toy was just given to her relatives kid the same age as you.

Stop WHINING.

Ohhhhh, big man, you caught a typo and you decided to point it out to me!

Thanks, buddy. You done good, today.

It's 'divisive' you idiot -- the word you meant to use; it's spelled 'D-I-V-I-S-I-V-E'. Decisively, I'm sure.

Posted by: norom-monger at November 4, 2004 02:48 PM

Thank you "O WISE AND CONCERNED ONES". Let San Francisco happily join in this exodus (I think it already has....many years ago), and in joining COASTOPIA.

There were 1,000 protesters at 5th and Market Street yesterday at 5pm blocking rush hour traffic and chanting "Fuck Bush and all of his policies". Some call this divisive. I call it heart-warming and beautiful.

We've discussed a million person march from SF to Canada (or Mexico- whichever is closer). Perhaps dueling marches. 1,000,000 leaving in both directions at the same time. why not? Let's organize....

You should not forget Santa Fe, NM. Santa Fe county is very very blue and wants to secede with you. We've got great culture, weather and environs!

Sweet, I'm in!

you forgot to include Hawai'i in your new country... we are a blue state and pretty much everyone here voted Kerry.

The Hawaiians most certainly want their own country - as they were dissed by the illegal overthrow of their soverign nation in the late 1800's - by who else? the (*@&#$(*& US of A(holes).

Please... bring us along too (or maybe you could put your new capitol conviently offshore on one of our beautiful islands).

ALOHA!

PS... for those of you who need some tranquility right about now... try www.TQworld.com

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out Jason, just so long as you realize that the state of California still belongs to the U.S. of A.

Nice post, Timothy Pryor. It amazes me how closed-minded and stereotypical these "cultural intellects" really are. Good riddance.

Actually KaneHau, 45% of the people didn't vote for Kerry there... ;)... but whose counting and paying attention to facts when... after all you're a liberal you don't have to...

PLEASE add Michigan to Coastopia!!! Michigan was a blue state! I am bi-coastal with houses in both L.A. and Detroit and I couldn't bear not having Michigan included in the master plan!!! We were blue...please add us!!!!!

Will you conservatives please play nice? What is it about us leaving you alone that threatens you so much?

Actually tim... those 45% are not hawaiians... or even kama'aina... they are stupid american haoles - more of the same breed of lieing murding assholes who overthrew the soverign nation to begin with.

But i guess that fine... when you back a lieing murderer for pRESIDENT - enjoy your fucked up country.

I thank Pele I'm 2,500 miles from land in all directions ESPECIALLY when looking east.

No aloha for you or your ilk

By your igorant standards, the 55% that did vote for Kerry aren't American then? hahaha... That's one of the obvious fallicies in your post. The rest is your tired, old, regurgitated, absolutely false lines pulled out of Michael Moore propaghanda. Try forming an opinion of your own and try to stray from the molding of liberal lunatics.

Ian, if you really want to leave us alone, move to France. Proposing to strip areas of our country is not necessarily leaving us alone. Calling us knuckle-dragging Wyomings is not leaving us alone. Moving to France, now thats leaving us alone, and largely encouraged.;)

Cool. Now the rest of us can get something done. It would be in everyone's best interest to build twenty foot walls around Coastopia to orevent any leakage into the rest of America.In addition,I would propose , that we enter into a trade agreement with Coastopia. You could sell us wine, software, and apples . We can sell you straight jackets.

Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can't understand.
- Cardinal De Retz

why is it that on this site the most angry people are the republicans? they should be THRILLED that we want out.

Ian, you really can't say that rednecks in Oklahoma decided the the election...we only have 7 electoral votes (Wyoming has less).

Yes, the majority of people here are ultra-conservative republicans blinded by the WWJD (what would Jesus do?)frame of mind, BUT there are a few educated, liberal, artistic, creative, hilarious and fun-loving people here as well.

It pisses me off when "like-minded" indivuals give Oklahoma a bad rap. In fact, the people who are born and raised in a "Bush-state-of-mind" who are lucky enough to rise from all the rubbish should be applauded!

It's a tough red-dirt road to walk...'round these parts bein' liberal is like bein' a devil-worshiping homosexual...and that's bad! Few us walk tall and proud!

i'm with KaneHau-please include hawaii in coastopia. we tried. pls. print new edition t-shirt that includes us. are coastopia residents subject to draft? i'm already researching draft extradition countries because my 18 yr old will NOT be drafted. these are dark days. but at least i will get to watch chapel hill baskball!!! mahalo for that! they'll be on maui in about 2 wks.
imua coastopia. who needs the rest of it!

No, wanting out is not the same as a proposal to strip states from the union. You want coastopia? Find a remote island not belonging to the USA. Until then, shut up and accept the results of democracy.

Nan wrote...

***why is it that on this site the most angry people are the republicans? they should be THRILLED that we want out.***

Because then they would have nobody to hate. They have to have someone to hate... be it gays, or liberals, or educated people, or scientists.

Same goes for war... cold war is over so let's pick a country to hate regardless of the fact that they did nothing to us (that's right people, even BUSH admited that 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq).

Fed up with bigots. Fed up with people with their imaginary friends (e.g., My god is better than your god). Fuck... I've got a 6 foot invisible rabbit named Harvey that would beat any of the so called 'christian' god(s).

So yes... let the lieing bigots have their little country - but without all the things they like to bitch about. We will all be much happier.

why is tim (and the other conservatives here) so angry and mean? i thought conservatives were 'compassionate'. lol.

michigan would like to join, as stated before.

the next 4 years will suck...

i don't think tim's getting it. in this post we are declaring a desire to officially secede from the union. that means staying put but refusing to follow the laws of the nation we secede from.

for reference, see map.

PLEASE TAKE US WITH YOU... WE REALLY WERE HOPING KERRY WOULD WIN, AND CLEAN UP THIS MESS FOR US. BESIDES, WE'VE ALREADY MADE ENOUGH MONEY FROM ALL THIS. W AND I ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEPLACE EXOTIC TO RETIRE TO IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS AND COASTOPIA SURE SOUNDS NICE.

WE PROMISE TO WORK HARD AND BE HUMBLE.

PLEASE TAKE US WITH YOU... WE REALLY WERE HOPING KERRY WOULD WIN, AND CLEAN UP THIS MESS FOR US. BESIDES, WE'VE ALREADY MADE ENOUGH MONEY FROM ALL THIS. W AND I ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEPLACE EXOTIC TO RETIRE TO IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS AND COASTOPIA SURE SOUNDS NICE.

WE PROMISE TO WORK HARD AND BE HUMBLE.

Why don't you just move to Canada you stupid fuckers. WE won and WE will rule this country as we please you stupid pieces of shit.

Thank God our forefathers were stronger souls than the lot of you. That being said, I encourage you to follow your dream, with one catch.

Get the fuck off of our soil. You can't have it, and you'll die trying to keep it.

God Bless America!!!

You just have to have the last word don't you.
Let's play 'Red'Rover instead; Gordon (not Lightfoot) Shumway, moron/norom, the likely tiny Tim, anybody else who I missed, and GTFOut are all on the red team and Ian's mom will captain the lot of us here on the Fuck You Blue Crew. Or let's have field day. We'll share our snacks and you guys can charge admission.

This BlogCommentaThon is longer than the Happy Days dance marathon. The Fonz will not fall....

Lisa, Slappy - Michigan was only a blue state because of the amount of voters in Wayne county, and the exception of eight other counties.

I think I'll immigrate to Coastopia via the airlift to Ann Arbor. I live in Chippewa County, and I think they're passing motions for Liberals to be included as game in deer season. ;)

No, we definitely want the great lakes, the largest freshwater resevoir in the world. I'd like to suggest a motion that we draft Michigan and Wisconsin.

Hail, Hail Coastopia! Land of the Brave and Blue!

LIGHTEN UP YOU GUYS........THIS IS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE NASTY.

Include Michigan too. The people are cool and we'll need the fresh water.

ps Enjoying diversity does not mean you have to accept stupidity.

Oh, how delighted was I to see that, as Chicagoans, my husband and daughter and I and everyone we love are already part of American Coastopia. I've already ordered the t-shirt...
Let me tell you,the one bright spot in the TV coverage of Election Day was seeing our lone li'l blue state in the middle of the country. And hey -- how about Barack Obama for American Coastopia president?

Depressing - just downright depressing!

The real beauty of Coastopia is that we Coastopians are everywhere.

We make up about 48% of current US Americans, in fact.

Because you don't have to live in Coastopia to BE a Coastopian.

We're Everywhere.

Each one of us is a Cool Blue patch in this angry sea of Red.

My whole neighborhood is Blue. In fact, even in this Red town, in this Red state, lots of neighborhoods are Blue, and there are plenty of us Blue Coastopians even in the Red neighborhoods.

44% of North Carolinians are Coastopian!

Why, even Texas is 38% Coastopian (howdy, fellers!).

We're all over the place, and we're not going anywhere.

We're everywhere, and although we're disappointed in the way things turned out this time around, we're going to stay put and keep working.

We'll work to expand Coastopia day by day. We'll demonstrate that justice, kindness, generosity and tolerance--not Force--are the roots of a strong society.

When those Red folks see the light, they'll be welcome, too.

Long Live Coastopia!

COASTOPIA IS MY ONLY HOPE. I thank you sooo incredibly much for organizing this land of the free. You have truely made my life.

Democracy schmocracy ... do you think the original American Revolutionaries took a vote and said "Gee, if we lose this vote we really shouldn't secede from this oppressive monarchical regime"? Nope ... they got off their asses and said "We're outta here."

Count me in, Coastopia. Home sweet home. And we'll have such nice neighbors with Canada and the United States of Europe ... it will be refreshing to have civilized conversation as we make sure everyone has health care, a warm safe place to sleep, and a reasonable chance of getting paid a living wage for a productive job.

Okay, ha, yes, this is a funny concept and helps us disappointed voters all smirk for a moment - Lord knows we could use it. Unfortunately, most of the original manifesto contains clues to the widening phenomenon of the Dem's failure, and plays perfectly into the stereotype of Democrats as elitists, as some here have pointed out. Though he was clearly a better man for the job in almost every way, Kerry is an ineffective politician who failed to connect in a visceral, emotional way with swing voters and the average joe. We can complain about it and play our narrowing part as The Losers Who Took The High Road, or we can wake up, get smart, learn from it, and motivate.

The most relevant and astute posting here remains the one from db: "as long you democrats continue to look down your snooty noses at the rest of america, you will continue to lose ground in the USA. best of luck with USofC and enjoy your latte." F___in' A, Bubba! You hear that, Democrats and Progressives? You may be the better party for the working class, for minorities, for probably the greatest good for the greatest number of Americans, but these Americans won't know it if you can't connect with them.

Yes, this is a humor site, but the text and many postings on this site of 'progressive humor' exhibit damning clues as to why we're in this mess, and why we'll now be in it for another four years.

The idea of several states banding together and quitting the United States because they do not like the outcome of a presidential election is not new. It was tried once before -- in 1860. The people who seceded then felt every bit as righteous in their cause, superior in their intellect, and contemptuous of their opponents as the folks posting on this board. They made the made the same haughty renunciations of the United States. Like today's would-be secessionists, they even claimed to have supporters in Europe. In they end, their rashness led to the bloodiest war in the history of the Western Hemisphere, with roughly 1 million Americans killed.

thanks for the post. I already live here in New Jersey and am now a citizen of American Coastopia....maybe we could become part of the E.U. somehow...even though we're not in Europe.

Hey, I hear the world community is ready to give recognition to Coastopia, and it will then replace Old America at the UN (the Red states didn't want to be there anyway).

Folks are happy in Coastopia, so of course Republican posters try to make them miserable. They picked Red King George, and now they hate themselves.

Luke says, "The most relevant and astute posting here remains the one from db: "as long you democrats continue to look down your snooty noses at the rest of america, you will continue to lose ground in the USA.

Yes, I can see that db wants Democrats to be more politically correct. OTOH, Coastopians don't do Bush pep rallies.

Ive been dreaming up a place like this alot in the last few days, and someone really had a good idea! Im smiling for the future which I didin't think I would be doing in awhile. Long live Coastopia! It is, in every way, a beautiful place!

mein gott! this has gotten ugly... but really, just sad. the intolerance of the red-oriented commentors on this site is tantamount really to one thing: fear. although i love A.C and would proudly be a citizen, i think the key to keeping our united states united, would be a world wide exchange program. send kids from oklahoma to new york city, kids from door county, wi to miami, people from seattle to birmingham, alabama. and once we all grow a little more tolerant* of each other, we send everyone out to another country. we send christians to mosques, muslims to temple, buddhists.. well, nevermind. they're fine the way they are. we send americans to the middle east, belgians to congo, russians to chechnya, israelis to ramullah.
as James Peacock, UNC anthropology professor extraordinaire used to say.. people don't realize it but anthropology is going to save the world. once you understand another, fear subsides.
*tolerant does not include acceptance of descrimination based on religion, race, sexual preference, et al.

Yes, I agree with Luke. The conservatives aren't the only ones getting nasty here.

To conservatives: Not every Dem is so rigid or culturally hip and wants to secede. I'm a liberal and I want to hear what you're thinking. BUT nor do I want to tolerate ignorance and hatred toward any group, particularly if you have not walked in their shoes. Gays didn't "choose" their lifestyle; if they did, then Dick Cheney's daughter wouldnta been gay - and that's why Kerry brought that up. I'm willing to listen to your arguments if you're willing to listen to ours.

If we are against hatred and prejudice, it has to work both ways. I will NOT tolerate gay-bashing, and I will not tolerate Oklahoma-bashing, either. I will tolerate, say, people who are loving and open-minded and are willing to continue a dialogue.

And I don't want the thinkers and funny people to leave America. Please stay a while and keep making this country great.

Clinton got elected somehow, remember?

Some of these comments are starting to sound like, "Hey, you Fucking conservatives, stop fucking being so fucking nasty." It goes both ways. Play nice.

What we're really beginning to see is that a fairly large percentage of Democrats are unable to acknowledge that their agenda is out of touch with the majority of Americans. They continue to parrot old tired platitudes and lies that have gotten them to the position they are in now. This truly was a resounding defeat. And, when considering the huge waste of time on such nonsense as "American Coastopia", they still don't have a clue.

The results are clear. Democrats/Liberals do not connect with the mainstream of America. The real shocking thing is that they actually think they ARE the mainstream of America. Until they learn that lesson we will see more erosion of their base. Until they find a credible leader with a credible platform and vision to campaign from, that will be good news for the Republicans as well as the country.

Koke, there are lies on both sides. "mainstream america" has a fair amount of prejudice and fear and has not come up with a plan to protect ourselves from terrorism, nor to help those who truly need the help (which is SUPPOSED to be the true Christian ideal. people who are suffering, often the homeless and mentally ill, need help, not excuses and your platitudes about how they deserve it.)

Some of us liberals DO want to understand where you're coming from, but ignorance from either side makes me fed up, and it's the ignorance and hate caused by some of your friends that pushed a few of my fellow Dems to the edge.

Hi there! So, I was thinking, can Austin, Texas join, too? You see, we are the crazy liberal hold out of Texas. You know how when you go to another country and tell the people there you're American, they kind of judge you even though you may be a really cool person? That's the way it is with Texas and going to other states. Austin is this cool, crazy, liberal, artsy town that gets lumped in with the rest of Texas, when frankly, it isn't like the rest at all.
I mean, Tom DeLay and the rest of the crazy conservatives would have to vacate the capitol, but really, it sucks to be them. It was they who gerrymandered the congressional districts so that Austin was divided into three different districts that each combined with a larger, conservative district so that Austin's liberal politcal scene and representation in the national and state congress was virtually destroyed. Drawing the lines where people live, my ass.

Thank God for American Coastopia. Thanks God I am not face to face with the idiot repeating the "out of touch with mainstream America" crap.

Yes, one day of despair was enough. I do hope there's no god in Coastopia, although anyone who wants to imagine one will be free to do so as always. I'm in (and hey, I already live in Queens). Saw the Towers fall, then saw concrete barriers at the Six Flags St. Louis, like who the hell is going to blow them up? They get off on thinking Osama's coming after them in Natchez. He can have them.

Alf - Thanks for the response and appreciate your points. I agree there are lies on both sides of the spectrum. The political environment is rife with the speculative suggestions of manipulating predators who make the ignorant their prey.

I happen to believe that in 2004 this has been far more prevalent on the Liberal/Democrat side of the equation and I would expect that any level-headed reasonably educated person can see this.

You made some statements in your post. Specifically about terrorism and the needy.

Terrorism
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I don't understand how you can say there is no plan to "protect ourselves from terrorism". The fact's render that statement false.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, International Law Enforcement cooperation in Intelligence gathering/sharing, Political Pressure, Financial seizure, etc..

The terrorism we see today is the product of decades of neglect, abuse and disregard of millions of people in the Mid-East - by both the U.S. and the rest of the World. The catalyst was religious fanaticism.

What took years to create will take years to destroy. My guess is at least 1 or 2 generations.

Domestic security will hopefully obstruct most contemplated attacks here but I don't believe there can be total security regardless who is in the White House.

There is NO QUICK FIX. Dreams won't help.

The fact is that the Kerry Plan was/is the Bush Plan with some minor changes to some minor details...and a huge dose of hype.

The Needy
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This may sound callous, but it is nothing new and it is certainly something that The Democrats have harped on since the beginning of time but never solved in any of their 40 years in the White House since FDR.

This a social issue that is secondary to life everywhere, worldwide. It is also a political topic that really only becomes "publicly obvious" every 4 years. Why is that? Simple - Votes. How insincere! How true!

Nonetheless, it is a fact of life. How much have you traveled? Been to Africa? Middle-East? South America? India?

To anyone living in Liberal Utopia, I would suggest they travel outside of any Western Society and learn about life in the real world.

These Western Societies have prospered and they have also thrown billions of dollars at poverty worldwide. But, the poverty continues.

What's the solution? More billions? Education? Freedom? Liberty?

Here in the U.S., we've also thrown billions at the problem but it's still there! What's the solution? (By the way, just to put things in perspective, those living in poverty in any of the countries listed above would jump at the opportunity to "live in poverty" in the U.S.)

In summary, give the poor & needy the opportunity to be educated and employed. If they're mentally or physically incapable of education and/or employment, we should take care of them.

(Side Note: NYC/Giuliani started a program for the homeless in the 90's. They went out and picked up the homeless and gave them shelter and opportunity for public employment. Many benefited from the program but some preferred to live on the street. His administration then did psychological evaluations on them. Those that were found mentally competent were allowed to return to their "homelessness". Those that weren't were institutionalized until the ACLU got many of them back on the street. How's that for compassion?)

Pleased to carry on the discussion.

Have a good one.

/koke

I just want to know, how do we go about making this possible?

You have to include all the blue states...MN, MI, WI to make it a true approach.

This blog sure has taken a turn for the terrifying. Ian, thanks for giving us hope. Durham wants in. We'll bring the beer.

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

- Julius Caesar

Coastopia here I come!

I was considering filing for political asylum in France, but this is much better. I would like a country where debate is welcome and respect for others' opinions if taken for granted. Now we just find ourselves studying our reflection in the mirror and wonder "why are we moraly inferior?" Because we are open-minded? tolerant?

Please!

quit your whining. We dont have enough tissues for all of you. get over it.

my 22nd birthday was november 2, 2004. election day. i asked for one thing for my birthday. to not be a party to another 4 years of dubya. to be a party to freedom, equality, and the *real* american way. i can't find that now in the good old U S of A. i CAN find it in american coastopia...

allow me my birthday wish... and welcome to AMERICAN COASTOPIA.

I'am from Georgia. Decatur, GA to be exact. I know that we have Zell from hell and a bunch of other boot lickers of his ilk but please let us in to Coastopia. We don't want to be left alone with the nuckle draggers, bible belt crazies and Nazies. By the way, some German friends of ours say Bush is doing many of the same things that Hitler did. My greatest worry is that I may not live long enought to see all this horrow reversed. On the positive side I can't help but feel fortunite to be part of a group that loves and cares. May peace be with you every day.

Paul

The consensus among the conservative commenters here seems to be "Dissenting, critical commentary = Whining."

Somehow, Rush Limbaugh springs to mind. Bill O'Reilly. Ann, um, COULter, kind of just LEAPS to the forefront of my thoughts rights now.

there are only two of us on this republican retirement isle in savannah ga. our boat will be ready soon ...

I have no problem with dissent or commentary, but ignorance is just pathetic. You do realize that California adopted a constitutional ban on same sex marriage, don't you? Long before the current wave. Your precious Western Coastopia is not much different than the knuckle-dragging heartland you hold in such comfortable contempt.

Let me sum it up for everyone (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) This is all about "legislating lifestyle."

Both sides can stereotype each other and complain all they want (as this blog demonstrates). I understand perfectly why mostly white "Christians" are feeling overwhelmed by the secular society and everyone else, having been "top dog" in this country since its' inception.

But guess what, conservatives: there are no LAWS forcing you to watch the "liberal" media on TV, own a computer with the Internet and all its' "evil" shenanigans like this blog, go to those movies made by Hollywood "liberals," and invite gay and minority folks over to your house for dinner.

Yet that is exactly what Christian conservatives want to do. They want to enact their morality into LAW and force it down everyone else's throat.

And that's the difference, good bloggers. It's about LAWS, stupid!

It wasn't Coastopians--who, in case you haven't realized it yet, are not literally people residing in coastal states, but people who view the (regrettably) current administration as mistaken and wrong--who voted to ban same-sex marriage.

You DO know that, don't you?

...don't you?

There are only two possible explanations for the outcome of this election:

1. The REAL majority really did speak, and that majority REALLY is as conservative as this snapshot indicates.

Or

2. The liberal establishment just plain failed to mobilize every vote that it could.

Obviously, the outcome is likely a result of a mixture of both; but as a self-proclaimed progressive, I want desperately to believe the latter, because if the former is true, this does not bode well for the future of our great democracy.

No matter how you spin it, discriminatory, homophobic paranoia is antithetical to the concept of equality. Exclusionary, evangelical demagoguery is immoral in a pluralistic society. Unrestrained, voracious consumerism fueled by exploitive Third World labor is immoral. Putting profit before the protection of our environment is immoral. Mortgaging our children’s futures to throw a kegger for ourselves today is immoral. Condemning the atrocities of the Palestinian authority while complicitly turning a blind eye to the abuses of the Israeli government and secret service is both hypocritical AND immoral. These are the bedrock of the GOP platform. These are the values that “Mainstream America” (if indeed it was fully represented last Tuesday) considers more important than fostering a better view of the United States throughout the world.

Chock one up for isolationism. Tally one for xenophobic unilateralists and narrow-minded intolerance.

But while we’re all pulling our hair out over who is the more “Moral” of the two parties, everyone seems to be forgetting one critical point, and I cling to it as the last best hope for equality: The only thing we know from the results of the election is the relative moral values of those who BOTHERED TO VOTE.

When all the smoke clears, I remain confident that this loss will come down to a failure on the part of Democrats to turn out every last vote in their arsenal, and their shortfall will be larger than the GOP's. God help you spineless, apathetic fuckers who left us standing with our dicks in the wind. Those of you who didn’t vote and plan to spend this term crying in your lattes can thank yourselves.

Annie -

your quote: "The consensus among the conservative commenters here seems to be "Dissenting, critical commentary = Whining."

Actually, a lot of this thread includes hateful, judgmental, bigoted comments about people that are different than Liberal Democrats, i.e. "Republicans", "Red-Sates", "Conservatives", "Kunckle Draggers", etc.
So, officially, it is not 'dissenting, critical, commentary'. It is childish, insensitive and ignorant posturing.

your other quote: "Somehow, Rush Limbaugh springs to mind. Bill O'Reilly. Ann, um, COULter, kind of just LEAPS to the forefront of my thoughts rights now."

Actually these 2 people have one vote each -- just like you, although they can persuade other people to vote "their" way. Since they have their counterparts, Michael Moore, Stuart Smally, etc, this is really no argument.

p.s. Michael Moore with his "documentary" that spelled out "the truth" could not even persuade people to change their vote.

/Norom

Please reconsider the bumper sticker issue ... I'd put it right next to my Kerry/Edwards sticker, which isn't coming off any time soon.

Oh thankfully I reside in Coastopia (RI)! I still feel sick from the outcome of this election, and I am trying my best to cope with the mourning process we all share in the face of an administration that has lied to the american people repeatedly. Let's review the fantastic record of GWB: A failed mission to capture the real source of 9/11, A rising death toll of US Servicemen/Women in Iraq,Haliburton favortism,Destroyed diplomatic relations throughout the world,Rising national debt, Enviromental destruction,No child left behind(yeah right),National health plan(none yet),No equal rights for the gays(sounds like outright descrimination to me),Possible cuts of pensions for Active duty & Retired Armed forces(can't see why anyone would not want to enlist! hmmm),Homeland security(except the woman I saw with huge knitting needles on a South West flight), Outsourced jobs(call your local cable company, talk to INDIA). So to all of you who voted for another four years of all of the above mentioned success, I suggest you all sit in a circle with GWB, and read My Pet Goat, while we all watch our country go down the toilet.The story went over well with the kids in a Florida Classroom, while the President let our country come under seige.

"Why don't you just move to Canada you stupid fuckers. WE won and WE will rule this country as we please you stupid pieces of shit."

Posted by: Gordon Shumway at November 4, 2004 05:32 PM

Thank you Gordon for your insightful rhetoric. I have a better idea. Why don't you just go to sean hannity's website and blog away there? This post is not the place to spread your hatred, but as the ambassador for hate, I believe Sean would welcome your comments.

On a lighter note, I live in Kansas and am Catholic. I'm currently drowning in this sea of red. If it weren't for my family, I'd be outta here. As it is, I will continue to toil away and shape young minds to listen to BOTH sides of argument before making up their mind.

Call it "La Resistance" except I'm not in France during WWII and the christian coalition isn't the nazi's....or are they?

I'm building a summer home in coastopia.

Help! I'm trapped in the middle of the non-Coastopia hell! I feel like I'm being oppressed! I think your great nation needs some Rocky Mountains in it - how about adding the metro areas of Denver-Boulder. I'm mortifed we went for Shrub, but can we at least get some credit for elected two democratic hispanic brothers to the senate and congress?????

All coastopian are welcome in Eeurope! France, Germany, and many others. Please skip italy and its fascit Berlusconi leader who said it was great to have Bush for President for 4 extra years.

Gordon Shumway.
I have arranged for your non-stop,
oneway trip to ASSTOPIA, where all of you right
wing, conservative, shrublovers belong. Complimentary beverages and exlax await your arrival.....

Dear Colleen:
Please allow me to articulate your thoughts a little better:

"Let's review the fantastic record of GWB: A failed mission to capture the real source of 9/11"
Um, if you bothered to read ALL the news, you might see that people in the mountainous regions of Afganistan and Pakistan really don't like people coming in and screwing around. They don't want to be involved in other people's back yards and don't want a war in their back yard.

"A rising death toll of US Servicemen/Women in Iraq"
Yes, this happens in war. Did you know there were 42,000 people killed on US highways last year?

"Haliburton favortism"
All politicians are corrupt. Live with it, accept it. Your guy, my guy, their guy. Politics is big business for all parties and don't be naive to think anything less.

"Destroyed diplomatic relations throughout the world"
Where? Who? What? I mean, huh?!?
What exactly does this mean? No one wants to trade with us anymore? Nobody in every third world and most first world countries don't want to come here anymore?
Face the facts: The newly gathered EU faced a huge political problem in front of the UN: They knew France and Russia were involved in shady arms and money deals in Iraq during the food for oil program. They decided to save face instead of telling the truth. Thus, "the world hates the US".
Whatever. They know they're just saying it because we got our asses kicked once and now they feel like they have a leg to stand on.

"Rising national debt"
Yes, this concerns me in a very real way, but the debt is not entirely Bush's fault. We'll see in another year.

"Enviromental destruction"
Blame SUV owners. The population of V8s and V10s in this country that eat gas comes from both parties. That's right: all members of political parties drive horrible cars and want cheap gas. How do you get cheap gas and not go overseas for it? YOU DRILL IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD!

"No child left behind(yeah right)"
Yes, not working too well. But its a format that still might work. I think its the wrong strategy, but I'm not president.

"National health plan(none yet)"
Paid for by whom? Not me thanks. I want to know that the money I pay to the government pays my health plan, not scum sucking parasites. Rule #1: never give out fish, only teach how to fish.

"No equal rights for the gays(sounds like outright descrimination to me)"
Is this about marriage? No one has bothered to make this a financial fight, so everyone just picks at the bones of the bible's idea of right and wrong. Unfortunately, there is a lot of money tied into "marriage". Remember, its not just a ceremonial love contract: it's a legal contract.

"Possible cuts of pensions for Active duty & Retired Armed forces(can't see why anyone would not want to enlist! hmmm)"
I don't understand the rationale either, and won't comment on it until I do.

"Homeland security(except the woman I saw with huge knitting needles on a South West flight)"
Say, how many bombings have you heard about in the last 3 years in the continental US? Hmmmm. NONE.

"Outsourced jobs(call your local cable company, talk to INDIA)"
Sorry to say this and burst your bubble, but Clinton started this. It is most certainly NOT his fault, but it began during his reign. America is about making money. We make more money if we can get the job done cheaper. That is why all your products are made in different countries. And you complain that jobs are going overseas? Lady, they were gone a looooong time ago. You just keep buying Made in China/Taiwan/Japan/Malaysia/Turkey/etc/etc/etc and keep complaining about something you are directly responsible for.

"So to all of you who voted for another four years of all of the above mentioned success, I suggest you all sit in a circle with GWB, and read My Pet Goat, while we all watch our country go down the toilet"
The country is NOT going down the toilet. You would be surprised to know that I am a small business owner, and 5 of my good friends are small business owners. Strangely, although the "country is going down the toilet", our profits are up and most of us are hiring. Intesting, isn't it?

"The story went over well with the kids in a Florida Classroom, while the President let our country come under seige"
Stop quoting Michael Moore and start thinking for yourself. You don't move the move POTUS until you know what's going on. He was safe at that moment. People were trying to kill him. If you are suggesting that it was his fault that we were attacked, you already know it was not. This story goes back decades and is the usual foreign policy gone bad. If you actually feel the need to blame someone, blame Clinton for not taking the guy out (although, on the other hand, you can't blame him either).

-Norom

I don't know what to say, because I just don't understand how so many people in this country can be so ignorant and backward-thinking. It is disgusting and embarrassing because we had a chance to change for the better and some people did not take advantage of it.

The following, from "Norom"'s (perhaps just that first "eman" by itself suits him better) initial entry into the Comments section:

"Dear Dimwits"

"Stop being devisive [sic] morons"

"stop whining you bunch of cowards"

"SO SHUT UP."

Does this sound to anybody rather like the "childish, insensitive and ignorant posturing" which Norom condemns (ironically) as the bane of this site? Does it remind anybody of, say, Bill O'Reilly? Rush Limbaugh? Ann Coulter, perhaps?

Not to mention Gordon Shumway, and ho-ho (the Confederate-flag-waver who threatened violence. Nice.)

Incidentally, "Norom" missed my point--I don't think I was making an argument about how many votes Rush Limbaugh has (and Rush, Bill, and Ann add up to 3 people/votes, not 2. Incidentally) Rather, I was pointing out that many conservative commenters in this section have equated liberal dissent and criticism with whining. I don't see how they have explained that point specifically. What makes our expressions grief and outrage "whining," and Bill O'Reilly's red-faced screaming something else?

Many posters on this site, even some of the conservative-leaning ones, have made arguments with points, in attempts to clarify their views. Honestly, I would welcome a conversation with a conservative who could help me understand what "moral values," which is a nonspecific and redundant term, is actually supposed to mean. I would really like to know.

Of course I'm enraged and sad, and I am sickened to the core that B**h will be responsible for several more thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of Iraqi AND American deaths before it's all over. And if expressing that rage and grief to my friends all over this country is "whining," well, I'll fucking whine if I want to.

To all Coastopians : if the hateful Bushericans won't let you live on your own, please feel free to move to France where I'm from or to Greece where I live now. We'd be glad to exchange some of our stupid politicians for distressed former Americans.
Or try and follow Bush's morals : make lots of babies, their vote will make the difference one day.
Please make sure YOUR opinion is known abroad : the world needs to know Americans are not all lunatics... By the way, any clue about Bush invading France to get our cheese ? (sorry, I meant to free the oppressed French people ruled by a cruel leader.....)So lucky, we haven't got oil !!!!

Dear Retah(d),

Allow me to retort:

>>"A rising death toll of US Servicemen/Women in Iraq"
>Yes, this happens in war. Did you know