July 14, 2005

deep shepherdation

7/14/05

Okay, those without babies avert your eyes and ears - this is one entry to totally skip over. As for the rest of you parental units, I was wondering if you could proffer your sagacity on this crucial topic: How did you get your baby to start sleeping longer through the night, and what method did you use for any separation anxiety?

Lucy is still only a 12-weeker, so we're not going to force any schedules on her for another month, but once we do, we'd like to know how the rest of you fared when it was time to start taking nighttime seriously.

We were well on our way to a dream sleep situation (if you pardon the mixed metaphor/pun/etc.), as Ol' Ironsides was sleeping up to 7 hours a night, and almost always five in a row. Suddenly, about two weeks ago, she started waking up every 2-3 hours all night, and Tessa has usually responded with a bit of breast milk and a kind word. But we can't do this dance forever.

We have read some of the books - many of which offer contradictory advice, as you know - and just wanted your own specific experience with a couple of details thrown in. We are much obliged and say HUZZAH for the internet community!


Posted by Ian Williams at July 14, 2005 11:46 PM
Comments
Posted by: mindy at July 15, 2005 03:49 AM

Our little guy didn't really start settling down at night until about 7 months, but he was like that from the get-go, so we just got used to it. Someone gave me a copy of Ferber, which was most useful as a coaster - crying it out never seemed like a reasonable option. I went the route of Zen Acceptance and discovered the sublime joy of 3-hour naps during the day.

Word of warning, though - it's tempting to start co-sleeping during these wakeful periods. Just keep in mind that it can be very, very addictive. I'm just sayin'.

A friend of mine had good luck with giving a bottle of formula as the last feeding, rather than breastmilk. It takes longer to digest, so her baby slept longer at night.

Posted by: Alan at July 15, 2005 04:03 AM

Our kids were (and and 5 and 6 still are) unbelievable sleepers - 8 pm to 7 am most nights. When they would not sleep in the crib early on I would drum out beats on the crib without picking them up (key) and hum or breath in rhythm with it. Little rum here, smile there: get their focus. Over as long as it took I slowed and quietened it down until it was just the breathing pace of their sleep. They they slid into sleep. Sometimes it took a while but they got happy being in that crib. When they got a little older I added songs with words and as they got to the point they were getting a bit sleepy I started increasingly mumbling the words. Bored them into sleep.

Posted by: Alan at July 15, 2005 04:04 AM

A little "rub" that was supposed to be. I wasn't recommending you go all Nova Scotian without the background.

Posted by: flaco at July 15, 2005 05:02 AM

have mama drink some chamomile tea before at bedtime. Transfer the tea's sleepy chemicals via brest milk. Mom and baby take a hot bath, getting into relaxation mode is key. Babies have shorter sleep cycles that we do. You cannot force the cycles to be longer.

Also they will go through growth spurts that require much more milk than other times.

Posted by: Laurie from Manly Dorm at July 15, 2005 05:07 AM

While I love to give advice, I can't really help you with this issue. Helen started sleeping THROUGH THE NIGHT at 7 weeks of age. Hallelujah! I attribute it to the following: from the first day home, she slept in her own room, in her own crib, by herself. No co-sleeping/bassinet/etc. And, she was bottle-feed. No middle of the night nursing.

As for separation anxiety, my returning to work when Helen was 10 weeks old and placing her in a daycare center as an infant prevented that. She never had any kind of separation anxiety, except for a 2 month period when she was 2 years old, and I honestly think it is because from the time she was an infant, she was accustomed to the idea of new faces throughout her day. As Hillary says, I takes a village to raise a child, and Helen was used to the concept of a friendly village taking care of her each day. The only one who had separation anxiety during her infant years was me!

I have read,maybe in T. Berry Brazelton's book, that established sleep patterns are disrupted when your baby is going through a significant development stage. For instance, when Helen was struggling with learning how to walk, she would wake up throughout the night, and we would find her standing and holding onto the crib, not able to get herself back to sleep. Her mind was in overdrive, thinking about all of her new skills, and she was kind of sleepwalking. Anyway, I bet this is what is happening with Lucy. She is probably dreaming of her new challenges/abilities, and it is waking her up. Don't worry, this "overdrive sleeplessness" passes in a few weeks.

Posted by: Jody at July 15, 2005 06:21 AM

Our son has slept from 8pm - 7am now for nine years. We are not really in parenting circles but I've seen themes developed and they are being echoed in the comments. He slept in his own crib always. He was formula fed. *WARNING: Ian, watching a baby drink formula will make you feel as if you are contributing to "Super Size Me, pt. II". They will go for it like crack. They will sleep for hours, just like Thanksgiving. Do not make overly quiet sleep times - although you can certainly respect the desperation of parents who frantically try this, just trying anything they think will work.

I don't know how much you will do the daycare thing, but separation anxiety is mostly yours as a result of leaving a screaming infant who really wants you. You can see the new parents dealing with this and you can see the daycare staff thinking "Just turn around and walk the fuck outta here, right now!" If you have other things to do then that's the way you live your life. It will be a learned behavior for the child and the parent.

Also, the vast majority of new parents look haggard and suffer from loss of sleep, for good reason.

The unexpected secondary benefit of the sleep schedule , barring your skills as a pediatrician or veterinarian, is that you will be able to recognize when Lucy is truly ill. That's very handy.

Posted by: scruggs at July 15, 2005 06:34 AM

Our now 2 year old is about as active as they come, and that translated to nighttime as well. He's always been a pretty big kid, therefore a frequent eater, and he woke up often to eat. I followed his schedule and just sucked it up (will do the same for the next one). I couldn't do the Ferber thing, and my Babywise sister-in-law had her kids crying it out at 6 weeks...6 weeks? However, once he turned 6 months, we had returned late from a party, turned off the lights, had fallen asleep, and he wakes up. No 6 month old needs to wake up every 3 hours. We were exhausted. So scream he did. Brutal 45 minutes. Next night: 10 minutes. Then that was it.

We've let him cry it out on 2 subsequent occasions. I would always pat him to sleep, and it would only take 5 minutes. At about 1yr, he started pitching a fit about going to bed. After the above 3day cycle, no problems. Finally, at 2yrs, after a few weeks in his real bed with no issues, he started resisting going to bed. After 2 days of protesting , no complaining.

I hated to hear him cry (which is why he probably had a boob in his mouth ever 2 hours for the first 3 months), but for us there were also times where he was old enough to understand when to it was time to fall asleep, etc, and we had to be firm in setting out our expectations.

Speaking of cosleeping, there was still the 4-5am wakeup, where we'd just go grab him and bring him in with us. So now he wakes up around that time and just walks down the hall into our room (not forgetting the 4 trucks he likes to sleep with). Very addictive and very easy to find yourself doing, and it quickly can become routine. I guess for us, we both work full-time and enjoy the cozy time with him, how he sometimes wakes us up with a big hug and kiss, and that he sleeps till 8am when he's with us. However we're dreading the time when we have change the setup.

Not that this helps you at 3 months, because at that age, whether Nicolas woke up once a night or six times, all we could do would be to pick him up or feed him.

Oh, concerning Mindy's last comment...we have a few friends who have given formula as the bedtime bottle, and I will definitely try that next time. Though I nursed exclusively for awhile, we tried at one time for my husband to "give me a break" and feed the 11pm bottle (at 1-2 months). However, I would pump at this time, so it wasn't really a break at all. Next time, I'll have Don make that bottle a formula one, and I can piece some sleep together early on.

Posted by: Josie at July 15, 2005 06:37 AM

My little fella, who is older and wiser than Lucy by a whopping two weeks, had some sleep issues a few weeks ago, but they did not last as long as yours.

What time does Lucy go down for the night? When is her last nap of the day? About how long is she awake between naps?

I have read Healthy Sleep Habits. Happy Child and have had success with *some* of it’s principles. It’s not a well written book…more info than you want to know stuffed into a poorly edited tome. For anyone like me, who always has her eyes on the page but her mind on 6,000 other things (probably not you), good advice can be had from the book on about the sixth read.

In a nutshell, Weissbluth, the author, often attributes sleep disruption to overtiredness.

Dominic, aka “Nico,” has settled into a pattern that is very Weissbluthian. He wakes in the early a.m. (bw 5 – 6 a.m.) for a bf snack, then sleeps in until 7:00 – 8 a.m. During the day, we keep him awake no more than 2 hours between naps (His naps however, are speed naps of no more than 50 minutes, but he seems completely content with that). Somewhere between 8 – 11 weeks, he slid his last nap of the day into his night sleep. If Lucy is at all getting cranky at night, try to do the same for her. Limit her wake periods between naps and/or try to get her to sleep for the night at an earlier hour…as early as 6 p.m. is not unheard of. Give it a week + of trying before you give up.

Nico’s current schedule consists of bedtime around 7 p.m., with one waking from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m., and sometimes two. There are bad nights here and there, but the good nights are good indeed!

As for separation anxiety, if you’re talking about in the middle of the night, it’s probably her wanting to be soothed to sleep. Is that what you’re referring to?

Good luck

Josie

P.S. BTW, I love all of the pics of Lucy, she is absolutely stunning!

Posted by: Martha at July 15, 2005 06:43 AM

We have a 2.5 yr old and 5 month old and boy did we do it wrong the first time! With the first child we rocked or nursed him to sleep every nap & bedtime and this guy never learned to put himself to sleep. It was fabulous to hold and cuddle with him but we did him a real disservice. With the second child we have worked hard to always put him down for naps and bedtime drowsy, but awake. I'm SO happy to report that the last few weeks he has been sleeping through the night, 8 pm to 7pm. We also practiced the 5 S's you have previously mentioned and when we were sure his needs were met we shushed and shook(jiggled is more like it!) instead of rocking back to sleep. Is Lucy getting any solid food yet? When she does that may also help her eke out a few more hours of sleep.
We'll probably never know if the first child just does not have a good sleep temperment, but we certainly didn't help him any.

Posted by: Piglet at July 15, 2005 06:45 AM

Gosh, can't help you there. Little Two-Foot has been a blessing in the sleep department. She'll go for five to eight hours at a stretch, and when she wants milk, she'll sort of wiggle over and go, "Um, excuse me, but...waaah?"

Her first month, the big worry was getting her to wake up enough to feed.

Posted by: salem's little sister at July 15, 2005 06:50 AM

Ian, Ben is days away from his 9 month birthday and his sleep patterns have been very different from month to month. He slept in a bassinet beside our bed until 3 months, then in his room for 1 month and then into his crib. We keep the same song repeating at a soft listening level. We have always had noise around him while he sleeps and he almost can't relax if it's too quiet.

In the beginning, I would nurse him to sleep and carry him to his crib. About 3 months ago, I started taking him to bed right before he fell asleep. He would fuss for a minute and fall asleep. He has a little soft blanket that he holds and sooths himself with.
Ben goes to sleep between 7:30 and 8:00 most nights. For a time,he kept waking at 1:33, 3:33, 5:50 and 6:30 on the dot every night. It was as bad as his first few weeks. I started waking him to nurse around 11:30 and that kept him full until 4:30 or so. I nursed again and then when he woke up around 7:00, I'd let him sleep in the bed with me and nurse. It buys me an extra hour or two of sleep and it's my favorite time to snuggle with him.
I will let him cry for about 15 minutes when it's nap time, especially if I know he's exhausted. Trying to stay on somewhat of a schedule, based on his time clock works for us. He naps about 2 hours after he wakes up(1 hour), plays for another 3-4 hours, then has a longer afternoon nap. I try to balance what I know he needs with what he wants. He's been teething these past few weeks and he's needed more snuggling and nursing. Now that the 2 teeth have erupted, he's only waking once around 3:30 and skipping the 11:30 nursing.
As for separation anxiety, Ben stays with my mom on Thursdays and for the first 2 months screamed nonstop the entire 6 hours I was gone. One day he quit screaming at her and now he can't look at her with out cracking up. I think he was mad at her for looking like me, but not being me. Who knows.
Read the books, talk to us and then create whatever works best for Lucy. You guys will figure it out.

Posted by: nb at July 15, 2005 07:03 AM

You must first accept that there are no easy answers and that you are doing nothing wrong. My baby slept well for the first four months (up only twice a night) then suddenly up 6-7 times a night! What did I do wrong? Nothing, because believe me I tried everything to fix it (formula bottle, starting solids, crying it out, no feeding, extra feeding, special pajamas... I was desperate.. I read seven books on sleeping!). I just got a baby that didn't follow the rules (and resented every baby that did).
Then one glorious night at seven months, he slept through night. why? Absolutely no reason!
I did nothing different!
For right now, I would give her the tools to eventually figure it out. Meaning, I structured night routine (bath, stories, songs, etc.) in the same order every night. Also, try to put her in the crib awake but drowsy (something I never quite mastered). Don't automatically walk into the room with every peep, wait a minute to see if she can get back to sleep on her own.

Basically, nothing works...some babies sleep thru the night at one month..some at one year.. Give them the right tools... and they will figure it out

Posted by: Andrew at July 15, 2005 07:08 AM

Our daughter is 10 months old and we have had the same problem several times. Don't know whether this is sage advice, but I can only share our experience.
After a month or so of good sleep through the night, she began to wake through the night. My wife would either go and comfort her for a few minutes until she fell back asleep or would feed her so that she fell back asleep. On a few occassions, my wife would sleep with her in another room. We also let her cry it out [if we could stand it]. But here is the important part of our situation...one night it just stopped and she slept through the night again. The good sleeping would last another month or two, then it would happen again and we did it again. The waking cycle seemed to last about 2 weeks or so.
So, in our case, it was simply a thing that lasted a while and then stopped. We didn't try any magical system to make it stop, we [ie my wife] just did what she could to comfort our child. Each night it happened, we first tried to let her cry it out. If that went on too long for us [say more than 30 minutes], mom then comforted or fed. If that didnt do it, mom slept with her. If there were 14 days of the cycle, crying probably worked 7 of the days, feeding or comforting worked 4 of the days and sleeping with her worked 3 days. And then it just stopped.
We have heard lots of advice as to why it happens. Best answer I have is that it is a growth spurt with lots of changes to the body and the brain going on and just too much energy to stay asleep.
Hope this helps. Trudge through it and see if it stops. Probably no need for a magical solution until it goes on for a while.
And if you think this type of problem sucks, wait until she gets her first true cold with ear infection. We just went through it, antibiotics for ten days with the little syringe [remember the pink stuff that you put in the fridge and it tastes like cotton candy], coughing and crying through the night, little sleep, and now dad is on antibiotics and hacking up his lungs because little one wipes her nose then plays "where is daddy's nose". Gotta love that kid. Wouldn't change a thing.

Posted by: Susan at July 15, 2005 07:13 AM

My little man slept through the night (10-5) at about 5 weeks old. He has always had formula which I understand sticks with them longer. He still sleeps well...8pm-6:30am with 2-3 hour nap in the afternoons. My friends who breastfeed exclusively seem to have a harder time getting the babies to sleep through the night...it takes them several months and usually after they have introduced solid foods.

The co-sleeping thing is a habit that is very hard to break later on so I hear. My son has always slept in his own crib. After a bath and lots of books it is lights out...no night lights or other "props" like white noise machines, music, etc...

As for the separation anxiety, I don't do the day care thing but my son freaks out now (at 22 months) when I leave him with a sitter. I calmly peel him off of me and hand him to the sitter and leave. The drama is over by the time I get out of the driveway. Being firm and reassuring is key.

Posted by: Andrew at July 15, 2005 07:35 AM

As for the separation anxiety, again no great answer. Our families are close so we occassionally have a grandmother come over on the weekend and we say goodbye, walk out of the house, and leave. Go for a drive, go for a sandwich, whatever. First couple of times did not go well and were of short duration but then one day it was fine. It has been fine since. Of course, this is not the same as leaving with a "stranger" for daycare or school, but it is step in the right direction. So maybe ask someone near you with whom she becomes familiar on a regular basis to be the babysitter one day. Start at 15 minutes, then 30, then an hour. Don't know when the appropriate age to start is though. Do it when you think it is right.

Posted by: kjf at July 15, 2005 08:19 AM

first thing you need to do is determine whether lucy is hungry. (for ex. when tessa nurses her does she just play around or is she truly hungry - tessa will know the difference!) if she is hungry then you just have to feed her as she is going through one of those growth spurts and will be over in no time. even if she is hungry i would suggest that tessa treat the feeding in a very business like manner. try to keep the lights off and no cooing and lovey stuff. just feed and put back in the crib.

if on the other hand she is not hungry then the tough part comes in. you have to ignore her! my kids doctor (granted this was 25 years ago) said to just let the baby cry it out and it will take a day or two to get over. i know this sounds barbaric, but lack of sleep is barbaric too so you have to make the choice. if you cant do this when she wakes up i would suggest that you go in and change her diaper or just rearrange her in the crib but be all business like. do not coo or hug or whatever. just say good night lucy or nighty night or whatever you have come to say when you put her to sleep (you should have some kind of saying - it will come in handy later when she is older so get her used to it now!!) i know the new age parents are going to go nuts over this suggestion but it does work. lucy loves being with her ma and pa and when she wakes up and you go in and give her love and attention you are teaching her to scream and cry and she will get love and attention. kids need to learn that there are times when they cant get attention. you are the parents. lucy needs you to guide her into living in the world. you know the old tail wagging the dog thing is not good! good luck!

Posted by: Greg (not THAT Greg, another Greg altogether) at July 15, 2005 08:19 AM

Our (now 3-yr-old) son was colicky up until about 13 weeks. That coincided with us switching to a bottle for supplement. Since colic normally ends around then, I can't say with any certainty, but I beleive that the formula definately helped. Since then, he's (mostly) slept through the night.

Posted by: Just Andrew at July 15, 2005 08:33 AM

my post is a rerun - here's the post I offered a while back - note the Ferberize comment:

Posted by: Just Andrew at April 21, 2005 11:21 AM
Did I say congrats yet? If not, congrats and all of that.

So, the advice stuff:
Mark down her 6 week birthdate on your calendar. When you are bleary eyed and weary, look at the date. This is near the day where you will get more than 3 hours of uninteruped sleep. This day will become the second happiest day of your life. (2nd to baby being born, but it will even eclipse your wedding day.)

Smile or no smile, mark down the 4 month birthdate - this is when she will really start interacting and being really really fun.

Answer this question:
And how are you doing, Ian?
Now, this will be the last time anybody asks you this question for the next several months. Everybody will ask about Tessa and Lucy and you will feel like you've ceased to matter. This is normal.

Ferberize the Hell out of that baby before the 9 month mark or you will pay for years and years.

Many people will give you advice about the TV and we all know that for the most part, TV is bad for kids. That said, these same people will tell you that they've are against using the TV as a babysitter and that they have never done it. There is a name for these people and that name is: liar. Sometimes you need 20 minutes of peace and the magic box works and will not rot your child's brain. We all do it, some just won't admit to it.

Posted by: Bill at July 15, 2005 09:21 AM

My daughter is now at about 20 weeks, and we only recently went Weissbluth (Healthy Sleep, Happy Baby or whatever it's called) on her. We knew that Lindsay was capable of sleeping long hours without nursing, as the Magic Swing had produced blissful nights before. But in the past couple of weeks, she was up every two hours, hankering for the breast or the pacifier or her bunny blanket or company or whatever. It strained the whole household and made her overtired and not so happy.

So...we decided to help her learn how to get herself to sleep. Weissbluth worked with my first daughter (now 5 years old, and a great sleeper since 5 months old), and we again found the theory reasonable: helping your kid become an "independent" sleeper will help him or her out in the short and long run. So on and so forth.

Lindsay struggled a bit over the past week, as did we in letting her cry. It never lasted longer than about 30 minutes...but damn, those are the most agonizing minutes of your life. As of the past few nights, she's going down easily, she's staying asleep (except for one feeding around 1 or 2), she's napping great, she's found her thumb (pacifier is out of the picture), she's happy and well rested. I think...all could change, I suppose. Babies seem to go through cycles of progress and regression, with regression (like more waking up) before a big developmental jump (I must have read this somewhere).

Anyway, this is what has worked for me/us now two times. My wife has new moms in her new mom group who are co-sleeping and think Weissbluth/Ferber are barbaric, I'm sure. To each his or her own.

Posted by: a childless wit at July 15, 2005 09:51 AM


make them read a blog about baby tips? That's sure put me to sleep :)

But seriously, Lucy is the cutest little button I've seen in a long time.

Posted by: cullen at July 15, 2005 11:06 AM

You should be getting a deferment royalty for your haphazard creation of baby tips. I'll contact PARENTS magazine on your behalf.

Our boobs half full (and well-used) version here, both kids breastfed and both a royal BI-ATCH to get to sleep 'right away' on a pattern, but each has hit their stride by their 2nd birthday and no problems since then. He was a whiny mama's boy(& mom a willing participant)who could summon histrionic vomit to stake his case for mommy time ITMON (in the middle of the nite). For 2-in-a-week her, the epiphany was only about 2 weeks ago and occurred post-a-vacation sleeping fiasco. The gnawed and pawed mams drew the um, line in the sandy sheets after the 2005 beach week. Potty training followed quickly for him and she's trying that already in line, so there's lite at the end of the comode.

If the pump is in play and Lucy'll take a bottle from Ian ITMON & then go back to sleep, it'll go a long way toward weaning her quicker. At some point it becomes less about nutrition and more about bonding/routine/gettin' what she wants.

Good luck.


Posted by: Michelle at July 15, 2005 12:45 PM

Honestly, although you'll get a lot of advice, the best advice is to remember that every child and every family is different. What worked for your mom or your grandmom and joe smith down the street ain't necessarily gonna do it for you and yours. My first son slept through the night at five weeks. My second was nine months before he slept through the night. I love 'em both, though.

I wish you the best of luck getting through this tough time -- it really DOESN'T last forever!

Posted by: Emily B at July 15, 2005 05:25 PM

Isn't 12 weeks one of those typical growth spurt times? I'll bet it's either that or Lucy working through a developmental milestone, as Laurie FMD suggested.

But that doesn't make it any easier on you guys, of course. I'm sorry to say I have no magic advice, but I do agree with Michelle, every child is different. Our daughter was a much better sleeper from the get-go than our son. 7 hours at a stretch at 12 weeks sounds fantastic; Lucy's doing well!

We found the first year to be difficult schedule-wise, because the "schedule" needed so many updates as the kid grew. With both kids, it seemed like we'd hit our stride for awhile, and then after a few weeks or months everything would go haywire. Usually because a nap needed to be dropped, a feeding changed to a meal, etc. Then at about a year everything miraculously leveled out, with only two big changes to go over the next couple of years, ie, dropping the second nap, and finally the nap altogether.

And you're never completely safe from nighttime disruption, just FYI. Just when you're on a roll, getting all complacent, working on a big project...someone will inevitably begin throwing up, or teething, or will develop an incredible imagination that is delightful to behold, but also begets terrible nightmares at 1am.

Hang in there.

Oh, and I would also like to offer a lone voice in support of cosleeping. We coslept with both kids, and do not regret it for a moment. It made nighttime breastfeeding so much easier, and we all slept much better. And we did not find it difficult to move the kids to their own beds when we were ready to do so.


Posted by: Claverack Weekender at July 15, 2005 06:24 PM

Our son didn't sleep through the night EVER until we started sleep training at age 1. Was huge, hungry, and got into the habit of waking 4+ times per night. Started with the gentlest Pantley methods. Didn't work. Kicked it up a notch to the sleep lady Kim West. Worked better but wasn't as gentle as billed. Basically Ferber with you sitting in the room pissing off your little one. After a few nights of crying at bedtime he slept through the night. Done. Night weaned at the same time because he never woke up to ask for food. Why didn't we do this months ago? Go figure. Separation anxiety? Kid actually seems happier now that he gets a full night sleep. Loves his crib. Dr. Sears is full of shit.

Posted by: Anne at July 15, 2005 06:34 PM

Ian, my youngest son (and the only one I gave birth to) was a non-sleeper until (don't die here) about age 3.5 years. Yes! And I was a 41-year-old tired working mom. Oy.

In retrospect, I wish I had not fretted about this so much. I wish I had just cuddled or walked with or fed Kevin when he fussed, and not tried futilely to get him on a longer sleeping schedule. Easy for me to say now, I know, when he's 12 and sleeps like a log! But... they are little for such a short time. Let Lucy call the shots for a while. Take turns dealing with her nocturnal restlessness. You will live through it; millions of sleep-deprived parents have survived. I wasted a lot of angst and got way too frustrated and basically tortured my cranky baby son too many times, trying to get him to fit into *my* schedule.

I wish I had hugged him more and just let him be who he was.

- Anne

Posted by: block at July 16, 2005 05:21 AM

we used to rub johhny walker blue on her gums. worked like a charm.

Posted by: Lola at July 16, 2005 07:58 AM

Sounds like Lucy is going through the 3 month growth spurt. But to preserve your sanity in the months ahead start thinking about sleep training.

My daughter had been sleeping through the night from 8 to about 12 weeks and then started waking sometimes every two hours which almost drove me to the brink. So when she was 5 1/2 months old, we did Ferber. (I would definitely wait until Lucy is 5 or 6 months to implement this). After three bad nights of crying, Julia has become a sleeping champ (except of course for things like teething and being separated from her little cow). She sleeps 7 to 7.

You'll find that around the 4 or 5 month mark that Lucy's bedtime will gradually become earlier moving from 11 or 10 to 8 or 9, etc. Make sure she is in bed before she gets overtired. And I agree with your other posters who promote that baby should sleep in her own crib in her own room. That way when she wakes up, she'll learn how to fall asleep again. My daughter went through a phase around 8 mos. where she would wake up at night, talk to herself for awhile or maybe play her mobile and then fall asleep again all without any intervention from us. Teach a baby to sleep and you'll all sleep and be happy. Ferber details this very well in his book.

Good luck.

Posted by: Rebecca at July 16, 2005 08:37 PM

She's in LA! She can't be expected to sleep at NIGHT, that's when all the action happens. Take her to the Viper Room to get it out of her system. After all, there are so many boobs on display there that she'll think she's in breastmilk heaven.

I realize I digress here, but I'm a heterosexual woman with 3 kids, and when women in SoCAl have their boobs on pedestals and hanging out, am I supposed to look or not? I mean, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE! And yet people look at me weird when I breastfeed my baby in public. HELLO! This is what they're for folks!

I feel better getting that off my chest. (Pun intended.)

Seriously though, Lucy's had a major environmental change. Maybe she misses NY bagels and pizza? Couple that with a probable growth spurt, and you just can't expect too much of such a wee babe. Give her a few weeks. In the meantime, Ian, please be especially nice to Tessa. She might be a bit grumpy. This too shall pass.

Posted by: Jen at July 17, 2005 11:16 AM

Just another 'props' for Dr. Weissbluth's book. My now 3 year old didn't sleep thru the night til she was 9 months old and we totally regret not trying some of his ideas. We finally got it together with my 11 month old and it worked like a charm. He cried one hour the first night then incrementally less each night and it works! I was fine while he was crying then when he fell asleep, mommy was the one crying (it is emotionally draining!). But just try and see what works for you, Tessa and Lucy. She is beautiful by the way!!

Posted by: chip at July 17, 2005 01:51 PM


block:

That sounds like a waste of good liquor...you could probably get the same effect with MadDog 20/20, and save the good stuff for yourself.

There's my one child rearing tip.

Posted by: Amy at July 19, 2005 08:32 PM

totally agree with Anne above. I think kids just do what they want to do because of who they are. I woke up with first daughter for a year and a half - I think... twins are great sleepers and slept through the night before 3 months. This is not secondary to any great parenting skills of mine. Enjoy that speical time in the middle of the night... just when it seems like it will last forever your baby won't be a baby anymore!

Posted by: david at August 30, 2005 05:20 PM

The great thing about kids and advice in the first two years, is that by the time you’ve rounded up the advice... even as of my late posting here, the situation will have changed. Those precious little cranial lobes are growing SO exponentially fast.

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